I ordered 2 sizes up and they were a little short and too tight. The thigh was good, but the waste was tight. I think had i ordered 4 sizes up the waist would fit but then the seat and thighs would have been too big. Good quality though.Very high quality breeks. I thought they were pants but am willing to try the British hunting thing. Got socks too. Nice socks merino woolGreat productNeed to order 3 inches bigger than normalThey run tinyThe cut and fit was questionable and the leg tyres on the trousers used Velcro which scratched andIrritated skin on your legs. Frankly, I expected a better product from this company.Beautifully made, fit well. Use for shootingA little short in the backWell made and lined throughoutThese are a size too small, need to order one size bigger than your normal size.